Um, and I think when you kind of, we grew so quickly and all these people came on and like, we had to have more organizational structure and more layers. Right? I think, um, there's almost a cost to it actually. Right? I haven't gone home since like two days. Like leaders need to reframe their mind. This thing that I've been doing for a while actually doesn't really matter. Social Impact Transform lives, inspire change. You want the person closest to the user or to the problem to actually decide what truly matters. My name is Nadiem Makarim, CEO and founder of GOJEK Southeast Asia's first Super App. It's like, okay, if I am the leader here, I am the most senior person within this group of other people and I am not the one who's coming up with the ideas and I am not the one that's getting credit for making the right calls or coming up with the right ideas, then what is my value? I think, I think one very easy one. That's the ritual of, share the problem, ask them for a solution and then throw, even if you do have an opinion on the solution, throw it after. And what's the difference between thought leadership and just being really good at execution? Yeah. Nadiem: As opposed to solving the problem. What makes a difference, though, is that each of us is willing to try. And that's how we grew really fast. For us, it is about distributing ownership to everyone in the team. There were some clear benefits. Test. We dont claim to know what it takes to build a culture that can scale. Perusahaan ini didirikan pada tahun 2009 di Jakarta oleh Nadiem Makarim. Yeah. Oh, they're great. GOJEK does ride hailing, food delivery, payments even on demand massages. And what's really interesting about it is that all these hows have no short term payoffs. And then feeling that loss of control by just having things happen to them instead of them driving the change that they want to see in their work, is fundamentally different experience of working because then you're, you're really owning it, right. So it's when the shit hits the fan, that actually this concept of ownership and bottom up innovation shine, right. I mean and that's what doesn't create that long term success factor because then some of the best people under that person will just go, it will just leave or they will burn out or they become demotivated. Which used to be our criteria back in the day. Researchers - Global UXAlliance, Usaria, and Somia CX. Because it's easy to say, oh, those things don't matter and it's easy. Right? Gojek launched its application in 2015 with . Kevin: Yeah, totally. There's people who are not confident enough in their capabilities and yeah, sure, they would like to be told what to do. Being given that freedom to even as an individual contributor to kind of figure it out and actually deliver something great, I think is definitely the kind of people that, you know, we try and have more and more of and we just kind of people that we want to appreciate because of, through this policy. And that's okay. And we're also much further from the problem. Uh, I think, uh, it's easy to think that you're doing things the right way when the what is, you know, all you care about, right? Nadiem: With the context of being a bottom up facilitating leader, right? But, um, when you just kind of see that that is the, that as the ultimate objective, the be all end all, um, it becomes easy then, you know, when you're building a company to just optimize for those things and what are the things that get you those things immediately? You just like, fuck, I've just spent like an hour and a half on my life just like in a YouTube hole. Right? And the third theme is about building bridges and breaking walls within the organization, which is about alignment and communication. I don't know why suddenly I'm so much more Kevin: Right? And then I left after a while, right? Everyone, you know, media is writing about, look at all this amazing stuff. We're all about that. And the first one, organizational investments. Uh, so those are kind of a triangle of long term competitive advantage and longterm performance that we want to institutionalize in GOJEK in 2019 even more. Which is around building these bridges. Go-Jek has a board of directors and a board of commissioners, in accordance with the dual governance structure that's mandated by Indonesian law. To the point of what's sustainable. Nadiem: And so the, the role of leadership there, and I think that there's a point to be made about when you're talking about building bridges and breaking walls, forcing that from a top down approach also is not very effective. It defines and creates a unique environment to work in. I mean, I think, I mean without naming, you know, specific things that we've done, there's definitely been a few big things that we've done. So there's all these factors, but overall, as a general characteristic, some of the things that even I struggle with, by the way, so I'm not saying I, yeah, I'm very good at this as well. Listed Fortunes favorite again! It was like, okay, that sounds cool. We actually forced groups to share their key results. Then we're able, even leaders become, gain far greater visibility and transparency into what's happening on the ground really. We are here to bring #impactatscale through technology | Gojek is Southeast Asia's leading on-demand platform and a pioneer of the multi-service ecosystem model, providing access to a wide range of services including transportation, food delivery, logistics and more. And so if you kind of focus too much on the what and the output here, which is just like all me, uh, then the easiest thing to do is just for, it's for me to always make it look like, you know, I'm the person who has all the ideas and the execution to my boss. It was fun. Is it really like what do you get? Nadiem: Yeah. Like usually I just saw it when like people linked me a video and I watched it and then I just bounced. And thats the essence of working in a a dynamic engineering org like GO-JEK. Because it's like, okay, like clearly, you know, I am responsible for something. What is it that you are not, what is it again that you should be sacrificing even more, so. Nadiem: Yeah. Nadiem: like it creates these moats. Perusahaan teknologi yang sudah sangat dikenal ini percaya bahwa bekerja secara produktif dan serius tidak harus mengenakan jas rapi. It's a very small, it's very small nuance, but yet critical. Nadiem: Exactly. But without that process, we wouldn't have known. Right. So in 2019, there's three specific strategic themes that GOJEK has that represent our longterm investments. Welcome to Gojek's Bangalore office! Kevin: What artificial intelligence. Better rides coming your way. But it's how far are you willing to go to kind of make that happen? Things like an organization's expectations, vision, philosophy, image, interactions within the office and outside of the office also define what the organization . Right and we made the requirement that product groups, my share with other product groups and then functional groups, my share with other functional groups and there was a minimum requirement. Kevin: Yeah. Uh, you know, people. Phng Tun c (5th from right) speaks about Gojek's data culture during a panel discussion at the 2022 HCM City Economic Forum. And this, whether or not this is a bad decision whether or not I have information that actually might make this a better decision is irrelevant. Just that, that little tell. "We had teams in DC, but no . And it doesn't have to be me who's like more on the end of the entrepreneurial scale. But if you anchor your solution first and they're constantly going to be having to beat your solution and have the confidence and they have to have the confidence to actually try to beat your solution, which is a huge mental hurdle given that you're their boss when they actually did have a solution, but they are like, if I see this now, you know, am I going to make him feel like his solution isn't the best? Being part of this journey is nothing short of exhilarating. Like it's not, it's not just an ignorance of it. And the other is a probably not doing a great job and I'm probably disappointing people, I'm probably dropping balls. Unknown problems. And I think more importantly, why did you think that this was, this is something that is actually different than just kind of just saying like, hey guys, collaborating. And so on. Yeah, just can't do everything. So I think that would be my one. Yeah. And I think that that part is, yeah, I agree with you that that is, that is probably one of the harder ones where you can actually, cause it's hard to see that, oh, this thing that, you know, I'm really fired up about it. Um, yeah. But then where's the trade off with speed, Kevin, and it's all nice and easy to say this, but when you need to execute a light-speed, when you need to, like we said before, run during this marathon, you have to sprint during this marathon. Either way, it makes engagement and collaboration difficult, because nobody empathises with an ideal. Whether you're looking to get across town, or even earning on the road, choose Gojek - we're the city's latest ride-hailing app dedicated to making your commutes all that much better. That's a really hard thing to save for I would say anyone. HR designs a campaign to tout a . Right? It's very hard. It was good. Right. And look, hey, you're a new father, right? So this is one of the most fascinating discoveries that I had is that actually cascading KPIs. We all do our bit to make sure it's transparent and open to innovation. Not in a light touch way. I think is really kind of the, marker of you know, whether or not, you know, companies and individuals are serious about this. So you have to have targets at the top and everything has to be MC, the middle layer has to contribute to the top layer. Right. And then, it is a tenuous balance and I think in some ways, right? I was just labeled a dreamer all the time. Like I think maybe bottom up innovation is a very specific one. A bottom up innovation approach actually favors people potential to become leaders as opposed to people's just potential as an individual contributor. Company Type For Profit. This is infused in the way we do a goal setting. Like, oh, we didn't know, uh, this team that's suffering on the ground because of this problem. In a hyper-growth organization like GO-JEK, technology plays a vital role. Kevin: Yeah. Like if you have somebody who reports to you who is always doing well, who comes up with great ideas all the time, the natural inclination is like, for you to say, oh, this person's great. But I really think that, you know, YouTube have such a large advantage, I think in the general video space I really don't see how they could get challenged in the near term. Like if imagine trying to start another just general video sharing platforms. Nadiem: And, and most of those things that we talk about or the media talks about are usually related to growth or capital raising or uh, you know, how many people you've hired. I don't have to think, because as long as I said my boss did it, I'm safe. Know our journey, and the people behind it. Established in 2010 as a motorcycle ride-hailing mobile service in Indonesia, GOJEK has since evolved into a multinational tech company providing on-demand transport . Nadiem: And so let's talk a little bit about, I want to talk a little bit about what we actually did right in the organization to pay tribute to this bottom up innovation. This meta-analysis, which comprises 43 studies with a combined sample size of 6341 organizations, reveals that Quinn and Rohrbaugh's Competing Values Framework provides a meaningful structure for the ideational aspects of organizational culture. It also depends on what department, what function, what rate of urgency there is. Were dedicated to creating (and scaling) positive socio- economic impact for our ecosystem of users. Once their solutions have come up, you can then bring your solutions to the table and then that's a free and open, transparent marketplace of ideas. Right. I think that's dangerous, right? It's hard and, it's hard in any kind of fast paced industry, right? Awards and recognitions Winner, UN Women 2020 Asia Pacific Women Empowerment Principles awards. Yeah. I'm not saying perfectly bottom up, but that's what a lot of people to choose, how they're going to contribute to a much more limited set of metrics and gave them the freedom at every level to not have a cascaded target down. This is a good segue to the other theme. Copy link. But I think really having that mindset of being, thinking about, you know, what are the things that really matter and what are the things that don't matter, even though I kind of feel like I should be doing them right? Kevin: That's right. This is a highly collaborative work environment where every individual is valued and communication is a top priority. Kevin: And so you see like the, that payoff, right? Evaluate. * And that is actually you run into huge amounts of problems, cascading targets that way. One of the few Southeast Asian companies to be listed twice by Fortune. Right. "Organizational culture defines a jointly shared description of an organization from within." Bruce Perron Culture is a process of "sense-making" in organizations. We do our utmost to get this right. As our Group CTO, Ajey, says in his post on our engineering principles, every decision is the right one at the time its made. In a hyper-growth organization like GO-JEK, technology plays a vital role. Right. It's just that they have, their team happens to do that really well. Then you know, it's kind of hard being in a tech company. This is one thing that I think all companies, including ourselves are consistently terrible at consistently. If you kind of look at the universe of companies. Type 1: Clan Culture. Okay. Uh, what is obviously the, that, that, that ownership. Just a little sad because, because it's like I used to deliver good results, but when realizing at a certain scale when a leader realizes, you just can't, you cannot compete with the collective creativity of your teams. Yeah. I think there's also oftentimes that question from, from a lot of folks who then, you know, or might be resistant towards this idea, it inherently kind of challenges, um, maybe, you know, traditional notions of what somebody in a leadership position should be doing. Either that or entertainment. Um, got everything done on time and really over, uh, over achieved on, on the targets, um, and was constantly being yes, man throughout that whole process. Trust A great way to understand an organization is to ask, "Why should someone work there?" For me, it's the people. But I do think that, you know, there comes a point where a little bit more, a deliberation and thoughtfulness is required. An organization's culture defines how individuals work and function within a company, making organizational culture a crucial element of a company's ultimate success. Or you have to constantly experiment by default, that means you have to fail most of the time. This one's good about focus and prioritization. I think a lot of people are or a lot of listeners are wondering like is it really worth it? Yeah. Move Marketing A. Right. So we've cracked that we need to first bottom up individual. The level of interdependency is so high is that you have to be a creative problem solver in order to be an effective leader. GO FIGURE is a podcast dedicated to expose the inner workings of ambitious tech companies in the emerging world. Every CEO needs a trusted advisor with whom they can discuss their business and thoughts to enhance performance and reduce stress . Many companies seek to create cultures that are productive and foster a positive work environment. And I think in a way I think we're almost, we have a bias towards finding smart, creative, driven people. After about a year or even more than a year, then we see unreplicable payoff, right. Facebook. Nadiem: yeah, when, when things are bad, you have to, yeah. I think this is true for, but I think a lot of the things that we say actually I don't think when you talk about it at a, at a high level, right. Thought leadership means actually thinking on your own two feet and being able to come up with solutions that are better than whatever your boss tells you. Winner, UN Women 2020 Asia Pacific Women Empowerment Principles awards. And that inherently blocks bottom up because it means that the people under this person can rise up because then they never get the credit that they deserve. Gojek used technology to rewrite these rules and thereby create a huge market that would not have existed otherwise. Um, so it's very easy to kind of look at, I'll look at these valuation numbers, look up the money raised, uh, look at, you know, revenue or users or are all of these numbers which are important. I think just forcing, just saying that, hey, collaborate more without it being bottom up I think probably makes top down worse, right? 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